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19th October 2004
Murf,

It wasa tough decision I made going back on the Subutex but really a catch 22. I knew with chronic pain that I was always going to need painkillers for quality of life. I had to choose which route to go. I knew the likelyhood of me building a tolerence on Loratab's etc was a quick process and that I would start self medicating all over again. The Sub relieves my pain just enough and I don't have a lot of the cravings and am not in search of the high. The doctor's choose to put me on Subutex instead of Suboxone just in case I had severe pain and needed to add a opiate. I have been on 8mg of Subutex for about 6 weeks and have not had to add anything to the mix.

Remember one thing that Subutex is not FDA approved to treat pain so it might not work for everyone. The other two areas are tough also. Constipation is a constant battle and it brings your sex life to zero. I am looking at Viagra right now hoping that will help with the sex problem. They ought to give this stuff to sex offenders because it wipes out the desire.LOL

You also have a tough decision. I think the quality of life is better on the Sub. You feel normal. It can get pretty costly and insurance companies are picky. My diagnosis is for chronic pain and not addiction even though I know I am addicted or dependent. It allows me to do things that I would not be able to do without pain relief. Like riding a bike or taking a long walk!

I would give it a try and see if it brings your pain level to a tolerable position. However, with chronic pain I would go with the Subutex over the Suboxone. If you go on Suboxone and have a major flair you would have to wait 36 hours before they could give you anything. Keep me posted on your decision and God Bless!

fisherman
19th October 2004
Murf,

I am with Octomon on trying the Sub. If you don't like it's effect you can always go back to the other. It might be the best choice. Don't worry about coming off of the Sub! It was bad but they all are if you are addicted to them. So really it is bad anyway when it's time to come off.

I am on the Subutex for as long as it works. That is something nobody can estimate. I really feel that the Sub is easier on your body than all the opiates that is combined with other drugs. The Loratabs and Loracets come to mind. When you take more than recommended you take the risk of doing serious damage.

Also, While on the Sub you feel more normal than the other opiates. I even sometimes forget to take my dose because it is not consuming my thoughts. It will at least give you some time to sit back and re-group and stop the craving all the time.

If you go this route try to talk your doctor into Subutex instead of Suboxone if you have pain issues that out weight addiction. However, the Suboxone is the best for dealing with addiction and I actually felt a little better on it than the tex. But the doctor's was just too scared to hold me at a place where I could not get immeadiate relief if need be.

Octomon,

I think I will try the herb tea and pop a Viagra and have a fun time in my town tonight.LOL Glad to hear you are doing well.

fisherman
20th October 2004
Quote from fisherpard:
I think I will try the herb tea and pop a Viagra and have a fun time in my town tonight.


Ha! ...talk about an inside joke. have fun feeling normal!
...it's the ultimate victory.
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