Yes CaS - I have heard of a handful of people that have used Sub to come off of Ultram, Tramadol, Ultracet, etc.... I knoow that they SAY these aren't opiates, but man - to me it felt like the same old crap.

But again - if I'm not mistaken (which I really don't think I am), Sub will definately help you with coming off of it.

Good luck,, and keep posted.

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