29th October 2004
Hi everybody.
Here's the update.
Stopped Tuesday night at 9:30(last lortab)...did about 12-14 that day(who counts?)
Drove to the Sub MD. 3 hrs the next AM. At about 3:00 when I saw the MD I was just at the gateway to the lake of fire....cramping,jittery,nausea,crabby,scared,CRAVING....the standard jones.
But nothing like the last time.Never completely freaked out,puked,anxiety,skyrocketing pulse...None of that.(I took .5mg of xanax twice)
Dr. and staff were like a godsend...caring...patient...inquisitive....very detailed and professional without that "herd" approach so many Dr.s Have now.
Unlike the inpatient place I went before,he had me take 2 x 8 mgs(16) subutex all at once.The last time I detoxed,they gave me 4 mgs every 4 hours 5 times a day(20 total)....My new Doc says the current CW is that all at once is better.
Went to the hotel,and after a phenergan "the hard way"(LOL!) My stomach settled,and I actually ate the first full meal I'd had in days...slowly just to be careful.Also saw the World series game....WOW!!! I had to make sure the sun still rose in the East the next morning.The red sox WON????
Thursday AM,after a good nights sleep,I woke up a little jonesy,but tolerable....kept pacing and straightening up the Hotel room like an OCD person(which I am/used to be)
Saw the MD again Thursday at 1:30 in the afternoon.Sort of in a little withdrawal again,but much less than the day before.We reviewed the past 24 hours,and he dosed me with 12 mgs but told me to do another 8 (20)when I got my script filled.He said I shouldn't be having any cravings at all,so he upped it 4 mgs.
Well,by the time I got to the RX,I felt pretty good and was a bit hesitant to take the other 8 mgs,but doc had told me that 16 wasn't enough if I had jonesed within 16-18 hours.He said my dose should be 20,and possibly 24 until the cravings subsided.
So...I took the other 8....and boy...out of body experience...kind of scary.So I called him (My Md gives out his personal Phone # to all his patients and takes calls 24/7 !) and he reminded me that the subutex was having a little "battle" for the opioid receptors,and that I was still in withdrawal.I also had forgotten to take the xanax,and after I did,except for feeling like a bubble head,I was AOK.
Woke up today (friday...day 3..today) feeling excellent...zero jones...just a little bubble headed.As the mornings been progressing I felt a little panicky,and remembered that according to the withdrawal clock,I should still be withdrawing from the HYDRO.I just took 1 mg of xanax,and I feel fine again.I was just a little bummed...I felt so good upon awakening I thought I'd just waltz back into the real world....I've always been a little impatient.
NOW for my sub using friends here:
My Doc told me he wants me on subutex rather than suboxone for the first 3-4 weeks.He said he just likes to make sure there is ZERO overlap with the Narcotics in your system. Is this how youse guyses and gals started??
2nd: I'm a bit concerned about taking all 20 mgs at once again today...I don't want to Jones...but that was reeeeeeaaally weird.He said some of his patients split their dose.....what do you guys and gals do??
3rd. I asked him,like the little impatient child that I am,if after a few days I felt super(which I've had substantial stretches of already) if I could start taking less...tapering myself....he said NO way,not until I see him next week.
How fast did you guys taper????
I plan on doing it for months,but I thought we taper to a lower dose fairly quick????
On the whole,though for you people who've inquired,I'd say this stuff is nothing short of miraculous in the symptomatic reduction of cravings.No cramps,no nausea,no puking,no racing mind(planning the next "score")
I actually woke up this morning looking forward to the future for the first time in months.....and I have no particular reason to be happy other than....."anywhere is better than where I was"
sorry for rambling...lots to tell..lots to learn.
ALSO!!! ALERT!!
We are not supposed to be posting our e-mail addresses on the site.It's in the posting rules.I just got a warning for it,and this board is so helpful to all of us I'd hate to lose my,your or any of our posting privileges.I was given a second chance after pleading ignorance (which was true) but I thought I'd also prevent others from being banned by re-iterating what I was told.
No e-mails or personal info,phone #'s etc.
Maybe later we can ask the moderator how to exchange info without breaking the rules,but for the time being its NOT cool!!
--Peace
_____---Baseball65 (My team is the Angels,so I know how confused you red sox fans are...how do we celebrate???)
Here's the update.
Stopped Tuesday night at 9:30(last lortab)...did about 12-14 that day(who counts?)
Drove to the Sub MD. 3 hrs the next AM. At about 3:00 when I saw the MD I was just at the gateway to the lake of fire....cramping,jittery,nausea,crabby,scared,CRAVING....the standard jones.
But nothing like the last time.Never completely freaked out,puked,anxiety,skyrocketing pulse...None of that.(I took .5mg of xanax twice)
Dr. and staff were like a godsend...caring...patient...inquisitive....very detailed and professional without that "herd" approach so many Dr.s Have now.
Unlike the inpatient place I went before,he had me take 2 x 8 mgs(16) subutex all at once.The last time I detoxed,they gave me 4 mgs every 4 hours 5 times a day(20 total)....My new Doc says the current CW is that all at once is better.
Went to the hotel,and after a phenergan "the hard way"(LOL!) My stomach settled,and I actually ate the first full meal I'd had in days...slowly just to be careful.Also saw the World series game....WOW!!! I had to make sure the sun still rose in the East the next morning.The red sox WON????
Thursday AM,after a good nights sleep,I woke up a little jonesy,but tolerable....kept pacing and straightening up the Hotel room like an OCD person(which I am/used to be)
Saw the MD again Thursday at 1:30 in the afternoon.Sort of in a little withdrawal again,but much less than the day before.We reviewed the past 24 hours,and he dosed me with 12 mgs but told me to do another 8 (20)when I got my script filled.He said I shouldn't be having any cravings at all,so he upped it 4 mgs.
Well,by the time I got to the RX,I felt pretty good and was a bit hesitant to take the other 8 mgs,but doc had told me that 16 wasn't enough if I had jonesed within 16-18 hours.He said my dose should be 20,and possibly 24 until the cravings subsided.
So...I took the other 8....and boy...out of body experience...kind of scary.So I called him (My Md gives out his personal Phone # to all his patients and takes calls 24/7 !) and he reminded me that the subutex was having a little "battle" for the opioid receptors,and that I was still in withdrawal.I also had forgotten to take the xanax,and after I did,except for feeling like a bubble head,I was AOK.
Woke up today (friday...day 3..today) feeling excellent...zero jones...just a little bubble headed.As the mornings been progressing I felt a little panicky,and remembered that according to the withdrawal clock,I should still be withdrawing from the HYDRO.I just took 1 mg of xanax,and I feel fine again.I was just a little bummed...I felt so good upon awakening I thought I'd just waltz back into the real world....I've always been a little impatient.
NOW for my sub using friends here:
My Doc told me he wants me on subutex rather than suboxone for the first 3-4 weeks.He said he just likes to make sure there is ZERO overlap with the Narcotics in your system. Is this how youse guyses and gals started??
2nd: I'm a bit concerned about taking all 20 mgs at once again today...I don't want to Jones...but that was reeeeeeaaally weird.He said some of his patients split their dose.....what do you guys and gals do??
3rd. I asked him,like the little impatient child that I am,if after a few days I felt super(which I've had substantial stretches of already) if I could start taking less...tapering myself....he said NO way,not until I see him next week.
How fast did you guys taper????
I plan on doing it for months,but I thought we taper to a lower dose fairly quick????
On the whole,though for you people who've inquired,I'd say this stuff is nothing short of miraculous in the symptomatic reduction of cravings.No cramps,no nausea,no puking,no racing mind(planning the next "score")
I actually woke up this morning looking forward to the future for the first time in months.....and I have no particular reason to be happy other than....."anywhere is better than where I was"
sorry for rambling...lots to tell..lots to learn.
ALSO!!! ALERT!!
We are not supposed to be posting our e-mail addresses on the site.It's in the posting rules.I just got a warning for it,and this board is so helpful to all of us I'd hate to lose my,your or any of our posting privileges.I was given a second chance after pleading ignorance (which was true) but I thought I'd also prevent others from being banned by re-iterating what I was told.
No e-mails or personal info,phone #'s etc.
Maybe later we can ask the moderator how to exchange info without breaking the rules,but for the time being its NOT cool!!
--Peace
_____---Baseball65 (My team is the Angels,so I know how confused you red sox fans are...how do we celebrate???)