18th July 2006
Lenin: I certainly respect your experience, knowledge and opinions. I think you are missing some aspects of what I am describing, plus it is hard to give every detail about why I am concerned in this area.
As background, we previously discussed unstable angina and also, separately, spasms, especially at leading edges. I have data and literature to support both issues. Not the least was my cardio expressing his concern about the spasms and prescribing isosorbide to counteract same.
The concern about the turbulent flow issue derived from my first time around where I was exercising vigoously 5 weeks post stent and then suddenly went into angina followed by cath showing 85% blockage. The blockage had not been there before so what do you think caused the blockage in 5 weeks?
Secondly, this time around, while I started slow (and had several bouts of angina which I attributed to spasm, an unrelated issue), I increased exercise rate and each time (twice) afterwards felt "bad". Bad meaning chest discomfort and arm/finger pains. Thus my search for evidence on this "theory".
Just because it is virtually impossible to MEASURE turbulence in an artery does not mean the phenomenon does not exist. Plus, why are stent manufacturers concerned with laminar vs turbulent flow thru their products if it is not, indeed, an issue?
Finally, while it appears (even to me) that this might be a bit obsessive, I also intend to push every factor that might remotely be involved in a direction that is in my favor. If, down the road, research indeed does support this theory more substantially, but I have already blocked up again and been forced into bypass when I did not need to, then I will be the poorer for it. If I can adjust my approach to exercise to get the same benefits yet avoid negative effects, then I think it is prudent to do so.
All I was looking for was a discussion of the technical factors and merits, not an evaluation of whether it appears I am crazy. Other than mentioning that you can not visualize measuring the velocity or turbulence in an artery, I did not hear any technical factors or logic refuting or supporting the theory I suggested. This is what I have admired from your posts in the past. Got any on this issue?
Edit: in rereading your post, you postulate that the body could not "close down" arteries when the body in under load. In fact, the arteries vasodilate under exercise, so they indeed do not "close down". The turbulence theory is based, instead, on cellular reaction to increased shear stress at the wall (the cellular surface)---a totaly different phenomenon.
As background, we previously discussed unstable angina and also, separately, spasms, especially at leading edges. I have data and literature to support both issues. Not the least was my cardio expressing his concern about the spasms and prescribing isosorbide to counteract same.
The concern about the turbulent flow issue derived from my first time around where I was exercising vigoously 5 weeks post stent and then suddenly went into angina followed by cath showing 85% blockage. The blockage had not been there before so what do you think caused the blockage in 5 weeks?
Secondly, this time around, while I started slow (and had several bouts of angina which I attributed to spasm, an unrelated issue), I increased exercise rate and each time (twice) afterwards felt "bad". Bad meaning chest discomfort and arm/finger pains. Thus my search for evidence on this "theory".
Just because it is virtually impossible to MEASURE turbulence in an artery does not mean the phenomenon does not exist. Plus, why are stent manufacturers concerned with laminar vs turbulent flow thru their products if it is not, indeed, an issue?
Finally, while it appears (even to me) that this might be a bit obsessive, I also intend to push every factor that might remotely be involved in a direction that is in my favor. If, down the road, research indeed does support this theory more substantially, but I have already blocked up again and been forced into bypass when I did not need to, then I will be the poorer for it. If I can adjust my approach to exercise to get the same benefits yet avoid negative effects, then I think it is prudent to do so.
All I was looking for was a discussion of the technical factors and merits, not an evaluation of whether it appears I am crazy. Other than mentioning that you can not visualize measuring the velocity or turbulence in an artery, I did not hear any technical factors or logic refuting or supporting the theory I suggested. This is what I have admired from your posts in the past. Got any on this issue?
Edit: in rereading your post, you postulate that the body could not "close down" arteries when the body in under load. In fact, the arteries vasodilate under exercise, so they indeed do not "close down". The turbulence theory is based, instead, on cellular reaction to increased shear stress at the wall (the cellular surface)---a totaly different phenomenon.
