4th April 2003
well, then, if Benzodiazapines make ones brain shrink, then I suppose, especially if one is male, that one should not go to Hawaii and take your benzodiazapines with Soy milk and your tofu omelette for an extended period of time. Only if you are sick.
No, but seriously here,
It would appear that the subject of benzodiazapines and other treatments of illness is colored by ones experiences and realities.
And in that case, it then becomes a moot point if either side of the debate is certain of their absolute right course of action beyond any compromising point of view.
And such is how divisions are made. With absolutes.
The group to the left says yea and the group to the right says nay but when there comes inbetween the jugement of individual the rights then we have a no pass situation.
Personally, I don't like the kind of unfeeling jugement that takes my circumstance of pain and measures it on a scale to ride the distribution of my asprin.
And that is indeed what it often comes down to.
In fact, I had that problem recently.
I saw a Neurologist who decided that Asprin was giving me rebound headaches.
And asprin can do that. That is a Migraine fact.
The Neurologist had no trouble with my taking Xanax!
In fact, he wanted me to take more Xanax.
And Trazadone on top of it and three different types of administered doses of Imitrex.
First I'd give my self the injection.
Then I would take the tablet.
Then I would use the spray up my nose.
That procedure took my breath away and made my chest ache. but it was Imitrex. A safe non addicting medication for the treatment of migraines so that made it okay fine.
All of that because the Neurologist didn't like the class of meds I had been given for migranes in the past.
We went from a few effective meds to a bunch of meds and specifically no Asprin
So what happened was that my headache cleared up wonderfully.
Everything above my ears was dandy okay fine.
But everything under my ears was on fire.
By the time I got in to see this clown in the next week I was over wrought and in tears from the pain and my BP was going crazy and the nice balance the cardiologist had me on was gone and my bowels were giving me trouble.
Yes, I was going into crisis zone.
The Neurologist told me that now I was having a depressive episode. He decided that I was probably ADDICTED!!!! To my old migraine medicine.
To which I said depressive episode! My sweet A**!
I am having cruel and unusual torture.
So I left and promptly called all my other Doctors and made a stink.
But in the process of the stink I had a good talk with my Family Practitioner who has given me a new referal to a new Neurologist who belongs to a pain organization and to a pain management doctor. And in our conversation we decided that I'd try the highest dose of Vioxx and see how that works for the moment and with the freedom to use other meds if need be.
and what happened was this:
A few days after the first Vioxx my bowels began to go into a shut down again.
I would have wound up in the ER except the Endocrinologist had given me Phenergan Suppositories and I had lots of anti spasmodics, including Xanax on hand.
I wound up having to take extra Hyoscyamine, bentyl, 2 phenergan suppositories and xanax to pull out of the bowel crisis.
If I had gone to the ER they would have had to do Demerol and Phenergan I.V.
I've been down that road before.
So in the mean time, what we have figured out is that
the maxium dose of Phenergan and vioxx and bentyl and hyoscyamine, which are all considered safe meds, do the job of what one or two other questionable meds did all by them selves in significantly lesser amounts.
And I didn't need those other meds every day. With the new grouping I need those meds every day or they don't work.
And as for that asprin?
Well, I now know that I very much need an anti inflammatory in my body and the next Doctor who tries to take my Asprin away without a proper replacement will just be on my bad list.
Oh and Xanax?
Between all the ups and downs and mega dosing of all the other meds I don't need xanax right now!!!!!!!
So you anti Xanax folks should be more than happy about that one.
I skipped the xanax but now we have max doses of several meds on board making my liver ache.
yippie!!!!!
I had Hepatitus A many many years ago.
An achey liver does NOT bring a sense of peace to me.
but I don't need xanax to handle that anxiety.
NOPE,
Because, amazinglyly, with all what I now recognize as INFLAMMATION!!!!! the inflammation is being well controled with anti inflammatories and anti histamines to the max and my panic and anxiety are now where to be found.
So chalk one up on the war against drugs.
They can take my Xanax away and I wouldn't care.
But I then just take 20 times the amount of medications that are socially acceptable and every one will applaud when my liver gives out.
Yes, makes all kind of sense doesn't it?
So, as far as the great Xanax debate goes, my feelings are this.....if you don't like it don't take it, but don't go messin with others who are surviving and just trying to have a good life with out wrecking their liver. I can live with a little addiction.
I can't live without a liver.
What is good for one, may not be good for another and I know I for one am not on this planet to live up to the jugmental expectations of strangers who would suppose they know more about my life than I do.
Or my pain for that matter.
It is because of jugemental attitudes that we have laws passed regarding a patients right to the kind of help and pain control they need for a good quality of life.
Thank goodness for our pro help laws.
Even as limited as they are.
So, to each their own.
Peace,
kat
P.S. I'm outta here, catch you all on another thread.
This one has reached saturation point for me.
Toodles.
[This message has been edited by kat721 (edited 04-04-2003).]
No, but seriously here,
It would appear that the subject of benzodiazapines and other treatments of illness is colored by ones experiences and realities.
And in that case, it then becomes a moot point if either side of the debate is certain of their absolute right course of action beyond any compromising point of view.
And such is how divisions are made. With absolutes.
The group to the left says yea and the group to the right says nay but when there comes inbetween the jugement of individual the rights then we have a no pass situation.
Personally, I don't like the kind of unfeeling jugement that takes my circumstance of pain and measures it on a scale to ride the distribution of my asprin.
And that is indeed what it often comes down to.
In fact, I had that problem recently.
I saw a Neurologist who decided that Asprin was giving me rebound headaches.
And asprin can do that. That is a Migraine fact.
The Neurologist had no trouble with my taking Xanax!
In fact, he wanted me to take more Xanax.
And Trazadone on top of it and three different types of administered doses of Imitrex.
First I'd give my self the injection.
Then I would take the tablet.
Then I would use the spray up my nose.
That procedure took my breath away and made my chest ache. but it was Imitrex. A safe non addicting medication for the treatment of migraines so that made it okay fine.
All of that because the Neurologist didn't like the class of meds I had been given for migranes in the past.
We went from a few effective meds to a bunch of meds and specifically no Asprin
So what happened was that my headache cleared up wonderfully.
Everything above my ears was dandy okay fine.
But everything under my ears was on fire.
By the time I got in to see this clown in the next week I was over wrought and in tears from the pain and my BP was going crazy and the nice balance the cardiologist had me on was gone and my bowels were giving me trouble.
Yes, I was going into crisis zone.
The Neurologist told me that now I was having a depressive episode. He decided that I was probably ADDICTED!!!! To my old migraine medicine.
To which I said depressive episode! My sweet A**!
I am having cruel and unusual torture.
So I left and promptly called all my other Doctors and made a stink.
But in the process of the stink I had a good talk with my Family Practitioner who has given me a new referal to a new Neurologist who belongs to a pain organization and to a pain management doctor. And in our conversation we decided that I'd try the highest dose of Vioxx and see how that works for the moment and with the freedom to use other meds if need be.
and what happened was this:
A few days after the first Vioxx my bowels began to go into a shut down again.
I would have wound up in the ER except the Endocrinologist had given me Phenergan Suppositories and I had lots of anti spasmodics, including Xanax on hand.
I wound up having to take extra Hyoscyamine, bentyl, 2 phenergan suppositories and xanax to pull out of the bowel crisis.
If I had gone to the ER they would have had to do Demerol and Phenergan I.V.
I've been down that road before.
So in the mean time, what we have figured out is that
the maxium dose of Phenergan and vioxx and bentyl and hyoscyamine, which are all considered safe meds, do the job of what one or two other questionable meds did all by them selves in significantly lesser amounts.
And I didn't need those other meds every day. With the new grouping I need those meds every day or they don't work.
And as for that asprin?
Well, I now know that I very much need an anti inflammatory in my body and the next Doctor who tries to take my Asprin away without a proper replacement will just be on my bad list.
Oh and Xanax?
Between all the ups and downs and mega dosing of all the other meds I don't need xanax right now!!!!!!!
So you anti Xanax folks should be more than happy about that one.
I skipped the xanax but now we have max doses of several meds on board making my liver ache.
yippie!!!!!
I had Hepatitus A many many years ago.
An achey liver does NOT bring a sense of peace to me.
but I don't need xanax to handle that anxiety.
NOPE,
Because, amazinglyly, with all what I now recognize as INFLAMMATION!!!!! the inflammation is being well controled with anti inflammatories and anti histamines to the max and my panic and anxiety are now where to be found.
So chalk one up on the war against drugs.
They can take my Xanax away and I wouldn't care.
But I then just take 20 times the amount of medications that are socially acceptable and every one will applaud when my liver gives out.
Yes, makes all kind of sense doesn't it?
So, as far as the great Xanax debate goes, my feelings are this.....if you don't like it don't take it, but don't go messin with others who are surviving and just trying to have a good life with out wrecking their liver. I can live with a little addiction.
I can't live without a liver.
What is good for one, may not be good for another and I know I for one am not on this planet to live up to the jugmental expectations of strangers who would suppose they know more about my life than I do.
Or my pain for that matter.
It is because of jugemental attitudes that we have laws passed regarding a patients right to the kind of help and pain control they need for a good quality of life.
Thank goodness for our pro help laws.
Even as limited as they are.
So, to each their own.
Peace,
kat
P.S. I'm outta here, catch you all on another thread.
This one has reached saturation point for me.
Toodles.
[This message has been edited by kat721 (edited 04-04-2003).]