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  1. Anxiety 10th August 2007
    ... trial and for the past 4 months I have been off of Avonex and have never felt better. I guess I am fortunate...
    ... Hi.. I've just back on Avonex . I had a break for a few years to complete my family...
    ... trial and for the past 4 months I have been off of Avonex and have never felt better. I guess I am fortunate...

  2. Help with Decisions! 8th August 2007
    ... diagnosed with MS last year in late June. I have been on Avonex for the last year. My question is... I am doing ... hug" and my feet. All this goes on even with the Avonex injections. What I'm wondering is this... Should ... change meds? I was told that Copaxine was the same as Avonex but kept the symptoms from returning towards injection...
    ... including myself...however I do have a thought for you. Avonex and Rebif are the same drug...Copaxone, is a completely ... 3 times a week, rather than once a week, like your Avonex ...by giving it 3 times a week, it keeps the medicine ... my shot feeling" that some people complain of, with Avonex ... Because you have been on Avonex for a year, switching...
    ... that.. late 5th day/6th day feeling alot with the Avonex . Thanks for the info!...
    ... Copaxone and also see the similarities with Rebif and Avonex . THere is also Tysabri and Betaseron to consider...
    ... familair with the injectable drugs...youve been on Avonex . Do you get it mail ordered? I do, with my Rebif....
    ... I also am on Avonex and get the pains and tingles. We are having our ... have no sun to run from. I had a long break from Avonex reasons; family planning.., and as horrible as the...
    ... This is really the first time since i started the Avonex that it's not helped me at all. I always get the ... days away. Also the needles are so long for the Avonex . At this point, still being semi new to this I...
    ... Sub-Q is definitely easier than IM. I switched from Avonex to Copaxone because my body built up antibiodies to...
    ... Yeah i know the size of those needles for Avonex are scary... And that freaked me out.. My MS nurse...
    ... get me the smaller needles. Looks like i'm on the Avonex for another eyar since I never heard back from my...

  3. MS Medications 8th August 2007
    ... my decision on which drug to try first. These were Avonex , Rebif, and Copaxone. The first 2 are basically the ... administered are different. All are by injection, Avonex is IM the others are Sub Q (just below the skin) ...
    ... of stuff to read, and knowing those 3 names, Rebif, Avonex and Copaxone, you can do seraches here on them as ... well...KT is also right that Rebif and Avonex are the same drug, however Rebif is the newer one ... periods of time. Let me try to explain that better: Avonex is given once a week. Some patients said that they...

  4. Been so stressful 6th August 2007
    ... disability. Due to no funds, I've been off of my Avonex but get my shipment tomorrow. Hope everyone is doing...

  5. Please help... lots of questions/concerns about MS. 3rd August 2007
    ... alternative medicines, but I decided to start with Avonex . With a teenager, a 10 month old and my husband deployed ... handle a strict diet plan. I just got a call from my Avonex case worker and I'm actually excited to begin therapy ... support! I guess my next set of questions will be about Avonex ??...
    ... alternative medicines, but I decided to start with Avonex . With a teenager, a 10 month old and my husband deployed ... handle a strict diet plan. I just got a call from my Avonex case worker and I'm actually excited to begin therapy ... support! I guess my next set of questions will be about Avonex ?? The Navy has some good doctors, but MS is not...
    ... family!;) You said your next questions might be about Avonex ...Im on Rebif, which is the exact same drug..but given ... good results to date...however, nothing wrong with Avonex or Copaxone either if they work for you...are you...
    ... going to suggest that you start a separate thread on Avonex , to bring more attention to your questions. I'm sure...

  6. Switching Treatment? 1st August 2007
    ... Hi! I have been on Avonex since October 2005 and after my Neuro appt today the ... due to the number of attacks I have been having..The Avonex didnt seem to slow down the attacks or the number...
    ... Hi there. Rebif and Avonex are the exact same drug....meaning, if you have already ... gotten used to Avonex , Rebif MIGHT be the answer for you. ...Rebif was developed ... AFTER Avonex simply becuse it is given differently. You take it ... slim to none. I know several people who went from Avonex to Rebif with no problems and good results.... ...

  7. are the supplements working? 1st August 2007
    ... I was on Avonex for over a year and a half; I was finally adjusting...

  8. New MS Diagnosis Fears with Type 1 Brittle Diabetes 31st July 2007
    ... for every other drug out there...Interferons, rebif, Avonex and Betaseron, list only one additional side effect...
    ... diabetes. The drug that was recommended to me was Avonex but I am not taking any CRAB drugs to treat my condition...

  9. MRI says no change NOW WHAT ? 30th July 2007
    ... 3day steroids. That helped heaps . Now I'm back on Avonex . I'm glad i got lots of advice from this board. If...

  10. Arm- Joint pain??? 30th July 2007
    ... I are trying to conceive a baby and I went off my Avonex about 11 months ago. I worry so much now since I am...

  11. Nuero visit/ steriod drip 26th July 2007
    ... feeling much better now. But i have also started back on Avonex Injections 1x Week. Hope yr wife gets better soon...

  12. Wish they could figure out what's wrong with me!!!! 25th July 2007
    ... diagnosed there were no modifying drugs. Beta Seron, Avonex and Copaxon are most effective when taken early in...

  13. Any Side Effects from medicine for MS? 25th July 2007
    ... same side effects: Flu like symtoms. That would cover Avonex , Betaseron and Rebif...Copaxone, which is a synthetic ... or not (and more people CAN then CANT). Rebif and Avonex are the exact same drug, the differnce being one time ... more even blood level of medicine...but then again, Avonex has been very successful for many people, so not everyone ... do....some of the drugs come pre-mixed (rebif and avonex ) so you dont have to do anything but take the syringe...

  14. Mri Results Back 25th July 2007
    ... OOOPS... I forgot to add I DID IT !!!! I took my Avonex shot myself.. Of couse hubby and MS nurse was there...

  15. Worried about MS 22nd July 2007
    ... had a baby and am breastfeeding so I had to stop the Avonex . Has anyone ever experienced swollen lymph nodes...
    ... there... Congrats on having a baby. I too was on Avonex and stopped to have my family. I did and still do ... couple of months. ........just recently got back onto Avonex . Took a major relapse that knocked me off my feet...
    ... you remember how long after you stopped taking the Avonex did this occur?...
    ... half yrs after. My girls are now 9 and 3 . I was off Avonex for 15- 18 months. Before my next pregnacy came up...
    ... this is MS and some may not but she put me on the Avonex because of my MRI and traces in my spinal fluid. ... had MS and was getting ready to take me off of the Avonex until another lesion showed up on my MRI. I was afraid ... and healthy for them. I want to start back on the Avonex soon, because it is important but my husband just ... lost his job and I got laid off. No insurance now! Avonex is not cheap. Does anyone have any suggestions? I...

  16. Newly diagnosed with Ms 21st July 2007
    ... I'm on Avonex and my understanding of all the CRABs drugs is they ... weeks after they started. Had nothing to do with the Avonex though as I didn't start that for 6 months after my...
    ... between. Hot flashes doesnt sound like a symtpom of Avonex ...check with your doctor..the hormone relapcement...
    ... get the hot flashes you describe when I was taking Avonex . It seems that I was on Copaxone and Novantrone when ... Since we are all so different it is hard to say if the Avonex is contributing to this. I have not had to take HRT...
    ... Hi there, I was on Avonex 4 & half years ago. The old mix them myself kind. ... flu and achy symptoms. I've only just started taking Avonex pre -filled again , although much easier cause we ... people are experiencing. So in your case could still be Avonex . So hard to say weather it is AVonex or HR.. Maybe...
    ... taking it 24/7. I wondered about hot flashes with the Avonex and figured this med has only been out for a little ... told me about the subq. ones (3x a week) and then avonex . I chose the Avonex, based on the 1x per week treatment...

  17. need advice on Rebif 20th July 2007
    ... efforts with Rebif. Upon Diagnosis (9/2005) I started Avonex . The pitchfork (intrmuscular needle) was the hardest...
    ... efforts with Rebif. Upon Diagnosis (9/2005) I started Avonex . The pitchfork (intrmuscular needle) was the hardest...
    ... only partially helped. I was tempted to switch to Avonex at my last neuro appt, but chickened out. My thoughts...
    ... exactly the same drug , if you and your doctor think Avonex might work better for you, you might consider it....
    ... curious, is it because of qty injections ?? I'm on Avonex hate the size of needle sooo bad. But too scared to...
    ... week that I am still getting more drug than a single Avonex shot a week, so it's not so bad. Chris...
    ... being in denial for several years. I was placed on Avonex for approximately 1 1/2 years during which time I ... diagnosed with thyroid cancer and had to discontinue Avonex until after treatment. During this time, I was placed...

  18. recently diagnosed with CIS 20th July 2007
    ... I'm on Avonex and the medicine does hurt as it goes in so the nurse...

  19. Nuffs...more job issues! 20th July 2007
    ... spend to much money when I'm not working..LOL.... The Avonex is still going okay, but the last shot hurt like heck...

  20. I'm back on meds 20th July 2007
    ... relapse. . As for medication, well I'm back on .Taking Avonex again after 5 years. Went off them to have another ... the day. Seeing as I'm not ready to do this myself. Avonex nurse will be coming out to my home each week till...
    ... Wow, Avonex doesn't sound like much fun. Is it really much...

  21. Diagnosed with MS 7-17-07 19th July 2007
    ... well, more strength training than cardio. I'm now on Avonex again, once weekly injections, hurts like hell......

  22. Negative MRI?... 18th July 2007
    ... yes he diagnsed me 2 months ago,,taking avonex now...

  23. diagnosed with MS 9-06 18th July 2007
    ... benefits but that will take a couple of years. I do take AVONEX shots once a week but have not noticed any change...
    ... I had optic neuritis in my left eye. I started on Avonex immediately and haven't had another relapse but with ... had another baby in March and have been off of the Avonex for a little over a year, I'm very scared of what...

  24. looking for MS nik 18th July 2007
    ... When I was on Avonex , the doctor gave me a prescription fopr 500mg Naproxen...
    ... Hey there. I am on Avonex and when posting on here before, I was told to try...

  25. a blessing in disguise?? (giggle giggle) 17th July 2007
    ... next week. Got my presciption filled today for my Avonex , they're sitting in the fridge.. ah i think you...

  26. Question about injections 17th July 2007
    ... the previous week..its really easy, trust me. With Avonex , most people do either the thigh or butt area With...
    ... the previous week..its really easy, trust me. With Avonex , most people do either the thigh or butt area With...

  27. Really need some support tonight.. 15th July 2007
    ... strong enough to give yr self the shot. I'm starting Avonex again this week. My hubby hated giving them to me...

  28. new avonex ???? 15th July 2007
    ... Glamour Girl, I can't answer to the avonex as I'm on rebif. Wishing you luck with starting...
    ... to say that I know of someone who went from the old Avonex to the new one...she says that its SO MUCH easier ... prefilled and ready to go- and it is easy.... Rebif and Avonex are the same drug...the only major difference is one ... patients were experiencing drug withdraw symptoms on Avonex ....by the time the end of the week came, they "needed...
    ... I'm on Avonex , have been for just under 18 months now. I have always...
    ... Hey there... I"ve been on Avonex for a year now. At first I had the kind that had ... Congrats on the family and I wish you good luck with the Avonex ....
    ... MS nurse at hospital to show me the new pre filled Avonex . Glad to hear it will be much easier. i'll take ALL...

  29. MS Lymph nodes 13th July 2007
    ... They took me off Avonex for a month and a half. Said it could be a side effect...

  30. Swelling? 13th July 2007
    ... after the birth of my daughter and I have been off of Avonex for a little over a year. I do plan to get back on...

  31. Neuro visit-warning, big pity party inside 11th July 2007
    ... scale way of getting MS drugs (CRABS- Copaxone, Rebif, Avonex or Betaseron). When the time comes, if you are seriously...
    ... to be in one now myself. This particular one tests Avonex and Copaxone in combination. It lasts 36 months, and...

  32. Newby 11th July 2007
    ... have great days and not-so great days. When I was on Avonex , feeling like crap, I still pushed myself. PUshing...
    ... you are currently on meds? You said when you were on Avonex ...are you still? I am in dx limboland. Have had...
    ... HIya Rachel, I was on Avonex for almost 10 months. I got sick as hell from it and...
    ... Hmmm, sorta surprised at Betaseron and not avonex or rebif, but I guess each Dr has their preference...
    ... 3096255]Hmmm, sorta surprised at Betaseron and not avonex or rebif, but I guess each Dr has their preference...
    ... Betaseron is an inject done on every other day, whereas Avonex is once a week and Rebif 3x week. My neuro had me ... on Avonex based upon it being only 1x/week and my symptoms were...
    ... PGYGuy00, what are you on now? Did you stop the Avonex ? I don't like the part about never getting used to...
    ... anything except Provigil for fatigue. Ive been off Avonex for appox 3 months. I feel great. Though I have noticed...

  33. swollen ankles after steroids 7th July 2007
    ... the swelling down? I start my research group on the avonex and copaxane next month. I can't wait cause I need...

  34. TXChica70...Question about your diagnosis... 6th July 2007
    ... back. That's it though, nothing else. I'm on Avonex and have been since Mar 05. The LP results are what...

  35. thyroid problem 5th July 2007
    ... Hi there, havent been on for a while as Avonex seems to be having some good affect, tingling has ... thyroid is now underactive which it wasnt before the Avonex , went back for more tests to see if the Avonex is...

  36. What shall I do now? 4th July 2007
    ... a**, and I mean that literally thanks to my weekly Avonex shots....

  37. Avonex and fresh pineapple 2nd July 2007
    ... me . i'm so going to try the pineapple. Starting my Avonex next week.. Haven't been on it for a couple of years...
    ... did you decide to get pregnant before you started Avonex , and if you did, how did that affect you? I have ... the enzymes might be good for you in regard to the Avonex ; the vitamins and Vitamin C specifically in Pineapple...
    ... its my 1st major flare after being dx.As for the AVONEX hate them more than the disease.. I had my first ... 28. Then dx 3yrs later was dx with MS, Started the avonex & stayed on them for 1yr, got all my sensations back...
    ... your family. Im very happy for you! GEt back on that Avonex and get healthy girl, your kids need you! DO check...

  38. doctor visit today 2nd July 2007
    ... psycing myself up because i knoe i'll prob be back on Avonex injections, its been 4 years since i stopped only...

  39. hi everyone.. I"m new. Looking for some on line support , looks like this is the plac 30th June 2007
    ... till 4 wks time. Im guessing he'll put me back on Avonex ... er yuck !!! so what do i do till now & then??...
    ... Rebif a try , what or if any, are the side effects. Avonex gave me flu like symptoms.. AWFUL.....

  40. Diagnosis - Length of time 28th June 2007
    ... VEP in Jan/Feb '06, Dx'd in March '06, started on Avonex in Mar '06. I have had no new symptoms since...

  41. 1st Avonex not sick 27th June 2007
    ... still get achy and sick so I think it's fantastic that Avonex isn't having the same effect on you. I will say though...

  42. # of lesions 25th June 2007
    ... agian) and as they say, location is key..... been on avonex will be 2 years in august, i will get another mri ... then, the first year on avonex , i got 6 more............. hmmmmmmmmmm all a mystery...
    ... lead to my Dx just over a year ago now. I've been on Avonex since Mar '06. I've never known how many lesions...

  43. Fatigue 25th June 2007
    ... Maybe it is me, but I have been off of Avonex now for 2 months and noticed that I am more fatigued...
    ... know that I am on Rebif, which is the same drug as Avonex . It took me about 3-4 months before the fatigue noticably...

  44. how long should shaking last? 24th June 2007
    ... I am confirmed via spinal tap that I have MS. Avonex since 12-06 Lexapro since 2-07...

  45. hand tremors 22nd June 2007
    ... positional" shaking disappeared after a couple of months on Avonex , so I at least thing that's a benefit. I kind of...

  46. just to say hi to all you people out there 21st June 2007
    ... six months after the initial attack and did go on Avonex almost immediately. I deal with depression issues...

  47. avonex and copaxone study 20th June 2007
    ... about is to be on a research group for RRMS to try avonex and copaxone together Has anyone tried this kind of...
    ... Rebif, which is an interferon and the same drug as Avonex , the difference being mine is given at a higher dose...
    ... before, but I am on Rebif. Its the exact same drug as Avonex ....yes, the flu-like symptoms were pretty horrible ... symtpoms...of course Rebif is given 3 times a week, where Avonex is less often; and copaxone is more often, with totally...
    ... effects. The worst were the flu-like symptoms from the Avonex . I am pretty sure I am getting that drug. Not sure...

  48. Diagnosis and Treatment Question 18th June 2007
    ... symptoms point towards MS starting an interferon (rebif, avonex , betaseron and copaxone are the drugs of choice) would...

  49. How long for Primary Progressive Dx? 17th June 2007
    ... of choosing Tysabri, one of the interferons (Rebif, Avonex or Betaseron) or Copaxone, which is a synthetic drug...

  50. Im Losing It 17th June 2007
    ... Hi I have been on Avonex for 6 years now. I remember about 4 or 5 years ago...

  51. low grade temp since starting treatment 16th June 2007
    ... and off since my dx and since I started treatment ( Avonex ). I have been having flu symptoms since the beginning...
    ... When I was on Avonex , yes low-grade fevers were the norm. (along with all...
    ... When I was on Avonex a few years ago, I would have the lovely 'flu-like ... effects like some people. After 2 1/2 years, I stopped Avonex ....
    ... stays in your system up to 12 hours.... Its a shame Avonex didnt work for you....Im having much success with...
    ... adivse on how to treat some of the side effects of Avonex . I also take on board your advise MSNik I will check...

  52. The Guinea Pig Syndrome 15th June 2007
    ... Copaxone hasn't worked so me and Dr. Neuro decided on Avonex . All you Avonex folks out there, any suggestions...

  53. Off of C 14th June 2007
    ... the hospital steriods and now will be starting on Avonex ....

  54. To Jenna --- JB10561 13th June 2007
    ... on Tysabri. I'm on Rebif now-since 2003. I was on Avonex from 99-03. I had a major flare in 2003, so I switched...
    ... months on an interferon- more often on Rebif than Avonex . The test is expensive, so my Dr. said he needed...

  55. Hot flashes anyone? 13th June 2007
    ... disease or meds...are you taking Interferon? Rebif, Avonex or Betaseron? All of those are known for hot flashes...
    ... disease or meds...are you taking Interferon? Rebif, Avonex or Betaseron? All of those are known for hot flashes...

  56. Bursitis or MS related pain? 13th June 2007
    ... to the conclusion that I have MS and started me on Avonex in March of '06. Back in Dec of '06, however, I...

  57. Starting Tysabri Tomorrow! 12th June 2007
    ... daughters Graduation party on Saturday. I started Avonex , in 2001, took for a yr, had a major relapse, was...

  58. Wicked Headache - with numbness and tingling 9th June 2007
    ... hope that you get help soon. Bunni dx 12/06 RRMS Avonex , Klonopin, Flexeril, Skelaxin...

  59. How do others deal with fatigue 8th June 2007
    ... I just started on avonex and feeling so fatigued. Flu like symptoms for about...
    ... want to tell you something which might help. Both Avonex and Rebif (the same drug) tend to take about 6 months ... have shown that Rebif was brought out because the Avonex once a week, wore off after 5-6 days, thus causing...
    ... Ive posted before about my experience with Avonex , and after almost 10 months, I had enough. The fatigue...

  60. Going off Rebif 7th June 2007
    ... Its a tough decision, but Ive been off of Avonex for almost 2 months now. Been noticing Im more fatigued...
    ... I have just started on treatment ( avonex ) and can now relate how hard it might be to remain...
    ... long have you been on it. just an FYI, but Rebif and Avonex take 6 months to hit full blood level in your body...

  61. buckling knee 7th June 2007
    ... still giving in &out MRI shows NO flare up-- guess AVONEX is working went to pcare dr.-- dx siatica nerve ...

  62. Weird throat symptoms 7th June 2007
    ... Now, I know what it is. Bunni dx 12/06 RRMS Avonex , Klonopin, Flexeril, Skelaxin...

  63. Does anyone's face get numb? 3rd June 2007
    ... I wish you the best. :) Bunni dx RRMS 12/06 Avonex , Klonopin, Flexeril, Skelaxin...

  64. Msnik 2nd June 2007
    ... radiographically showing negative results with Copaxone and Avonex to Tysabri. Interesting. I asked why he wasnt switching...

  65. Are you able to keep your jobs?? 2nd June 2007
    ... of not having the money. I have also just started avonex and think this is adding to my fatigue. I will be...
    ... yours did. I am on Rebif. Its the same interferon as Avonex . Hang in there.....I found within 3 months, my fatigue...
    ... yours did. I am on Rebif. Its the same interferon as Avonex . Hang in there.....I found within 3 months, my fatigue...
    ... them most. Youre going to be okay. Stick with your Avonex for awhile and let me know how youre feeling~ Nikki...

  66. started on avonex and so fatigued 31st May 2007
    ... Peace. I might be able to help you alittle...Im not on Avonex , however I am on Rebif, which is the same drug... ... your doctor...but first, continue having hope for the Avonex . You really havent been on it that long. I do think...

  67. injections in butt 28th May 2007
    ... it more often (like Copaxone) vs. once a week, like Avonex or in the middle (like Rebif) are. Some people find ... wearing off) so with that came Rebif, the same drug as Avonex , however, injected 3 times a week , with the idea ... complain forever about them. Flu-like symptoms of Avonex and Rebif almost always go away in a few (6-8) weeks ... Also, keep in mind, do you want prefilled syringes? ( avonex has them if your insurance will pay for it, sometimes...
    ... I'm on Avonex and I have the injections done in my butt or it's...

  68. question about MS and disablility(ssi) 27th May 2007
    ... stated to have more severe flare ups and is now on Avonex . Lately,(last week or 2) things are getting worse...
    ... cant work. First of all, your panicking too soon.... Avonex will probably get this under control (takes about...

  69. new dx 27th May 2007
    ... some very good advocates for Copaxone and a few on Avonex as well....personally, I really LIKE Rebif- both what ... an Interferon (found naturally in the brain). The Avonex is a higher dose of the same drug, because it has...

  70. Electric shock feeling? 25th May 2007
    ... had MS for about 10 yrs now, and is currently on Avonex for about a year now. He has had about 2 major "flare...
    ... very frustrating to see him suffering. he takes his avonex every week, and he suffers as it is from major flu...
    ... am sorry folks like your hubby have problems with Avonex ... I have never gotten a flu reaction, though I am ... on antidepressents as after a few months on Avonex , I started cyring like a baby for no reason. Sigh...

  71. I'm done 25th May 2007
    ... anxiety elements in it. I take it as a direct result of Avonex side effects. Consider that you might be having an...

  72. under weight ? 25th May 2007
    ... market for some reason they would not let me take Avonex at home any more I was told I had to go to an infusion ... be monitored for a hour after the infusion. Between Avonex and Tysabri I took Copaxone at home. I have a friend...

  73. New Needle 24th May 2007
    ... anyone know the answer to this? Can the new skinny Avonex needle be used in the spring-loaded injector? Thanks...
    ... injector. I had the choice between the two. Both Avonex and Rebif have 24hr nurse hot lines that are very...
    ... Thanks! Rebif is via a subcutaneous injection while my Avonex is intramuscular - I only need inject once per week...

  74. New Here: Ewizabeth 24th May 2007
    ... says : Ewizabeth DX 01/03 RRMS Previously Avonex , Rebif & Copaxone Starting Tysabri 6/04/07 So...

  75. Avonex and depression 24th May 2007
    ... When I was on avonex I felt the same I would get nauseous before a shot...
    ... Always felt like crap from avonex , been off of it for over a month as I told my neuro ... , no more. His theory is that avonex flushed out of some people's system faster than others...
    ... Am not taking Avonex , but am taking Rebif which is the same drug. I found ... that many people on Avonex complain of this, yet not as many on Rebif complain ... that if you havent relapsed again, its because of the Avonex . Theres too much evidence that this stuff works- I...
    ... Hi! I'm sorry that you are having a hard time on Avonex . I definitely think that the Avonex is working for ... you, but Avonex can cause depression in some people. I think that ... suggest that you try one of the other meds. I took Avonex for 8 years and I was sick for at least 24 hrs every ... This really helped me. If you decide to stay on the Avonex , that is great but I would definitely address the...
    ... whalloped with depression after a couple of months on Avonex (crying for no reason, not dwelling on anything "inside ... little too tight.) Some wins, some losses with Avonex for most, but I have been very fortunate. One little...
    ... be too much. I do see a local Dutch doctor but the Avonex is provided through the base pharmacy (we're Air Force ... week. I think what I might do is continue on the Avonex until we move in September. When I have to switch ... Dutch doctor was very reluctant to even put me on Avonex because the Dutch don't believe in preventative medicines...

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